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Frostiron pt. 2



(art by sekra)

“[Steve] can’t take those words back. Years from now they’re still going to be rattling around in Tony’s head echoing every crappy thought he’s ever had about himself.” - luckster31

“Tony is listening to his childhood hero tell him he’s a piece of shit. Tell him he’s worthless, and tell him he means nothing. And this really affects him. If you watch the scene closely, you’ll see Tony tear up. His eyes get glossier through the scene. And when it flashes away from Tony and then back a few seconds after this gifset, you see him wipe his eye. Tony didn’t cry when Obi betrayed him. When his only ‘father’ figure rips out his reactor and leaves him for dead.” - rainbowninjasock

“But I think it’s not really his ‘childhood hero’ telling him he’s worthless. Tony grew up seeing Howard just a liiittle bit obsessed with Captain America. If anything, Captain America is to Tony like a brother he never had - a brother he had to compete with for his father’s attention nonetheless. This isn’t the guy Tony looked up to: this is the guy his father idolized. This is the guy who, in Howard’s opinion, was the best man out there.

Tony feels like he could never be quite good enough for Howard. And Captain America is the guy who was more than good enough. To me, it seems like Tony feels another failure of his own in the way Steve treats him here - like Howard’s ghost is saying those words through Steve. Because Steve Rogers is supposed to be a kind, gentle guy, someone who sees the worth and potential in EVERYONE.

And yet, he can’t see anything in Tony. For someone with as much self-worth issues as Tony, that’s a pretty low blow from Steve.” - pheuthe


However, as is shown in Avengers, this isn’t impossible: Tony is able to redeem himself in Steve’s eyes (by being willing to sacrifice himself) and an opportunity arises for Steve to re-evaluate his actions and judgments of Tony.

One argument that can be made in favor of Stony/Superhusbands is that there are potentially more factors that would force Tony and Steve to work together and see each other in a new light. Likewise, Steve doesn’t appear to be trying to define himself against Tony in the way that Thor is (although Tony is); he simply misjudged him based on his past actions. So, there are more opportunities for a healthier relationship to develop.

However, one has to also factor in that Tony and Loki have almost obsessive insecurities that are linked into every aspect of their lives and manifest in numerous ways. These self-esteem issues make them reliant on Steve and Thor for their approval.

“Tony trying to protect himself. This is Tony afraid that no one will care, so afraid that he can’t even test the theory, and it’s eating at him as visibly as the blood poisoning is, self-evident in every action he takes.” - gyzym

“We’ve been shown in the MCU that Tony has huge abandonment and self-esteem issues. To get Steve and/or Pepper’s approbation is not a pleasure for him, it’s something he needs, because it serves as a substitute for Howard’s approbation (because, well, Steve is Captain America [his childhood hero], and don’t come and tell me Pepper isn’t presented as a mother figure in the beginning of Iron Man). That means that Tony has at least some form of emotional dependence going on toward them and that is not the start of a healthy relationship…

Anyway, the point of all this is that, from that perspective – which may well be mine alone - Pepper and Steve, if placed in a romantic relationship with Tony, would end up being his caretaker more than his lover, which would be destructive for Tony – as there is a great risk that he would become more dependent on them with time, putting him in a similar mindset to the one he had with Obadiah- and for them because yes, you’re supposed to try and make your partner happy, but you’re not supposed to be the only one determining whether or not they’re going to love themselves.” - terresdebrume


Additionally, this would likely lead to further feelings of self-hatred by Tony and Loki because, at their core, both characters want to be equals with Steve and Thor – something they can’t have while reliant on them. For Loki, Thor’s actions can come across as condescending or Thor being blinded by sentimentality (as his brother is Jotun, a fact he seems to blithely ignore despite setting out to destroy the Jotuns in Thor).

Tony and Loki also have a difficult time seeing anything as real caring. Both assume their friends’ and family’s caring is out of obligation. Pepper is paid to work for Tony and Tony appears to keep her at arm’s length (and knows no personal details about her life, like allergies or her birthday) despite saying she’s “the only one he has”. Rhodey, meanwhile, states that being around Tony is “bad for [their] friendship” which, again, indicates their relationship is at arm’s length. When Loki’s heritage is revealed to him, he says “No matter how much you claim to love me…,” which reveals he sees Odin’s love as something of a lie as it has never compared to his love of Thor. Likewise, he can’t accept the idea that Thor would accept him as his brother after finding out Loki is Jotun.

As such, Tony and Loki would probably work better in a relationship where they 1) both feel real caring is attainable (like Tony feels after Pepper tells him “you’re all I have, too”) but 2) also have a sense of earning it so that the relationship doesn’t seem one-sided (as well as to appeal to their egos). This relationship, of course, isn't limited to that between Tony and Loki. As for how both could obtain those feelings with one another:

“They both have abandonment and self-worth issues the size of Stark tower, and honestly that is bound to lead to (huge) fights between them, too, but the difference here is that they’re both in the same case. Emotionally speaking, they’re on even ground, and so they don’t risk becoming dependent on one another (or if they do, I think the possibility is not as strong as it is with Steve or Thor). Plus, they’d see through each other’s bullshit… In the end, I think Tony and Loki together would manage to help each other find some form of balance between their craving for acknowledgement and recognition, and their equally strong independent streaks.” -terresdebrume


This is what largely separates Stony/Superhusbands and Thorki from a pairing like Frostiron. It’s not that character growth becomes impossible when both are in a relationship but because Stony’s/ Superhusbands’ and Thorki’s character growth would arise largely from influences outside of the relationship while Frostiron’s arises from factors assumed to be present within it. However, as unnecessaryligatures points out, “the development of relationships depends a lot on characterization, which of course everyone does differently”.

Frostiron

As stated, the appeal of Frostiron is that the potential for both characters to form a relationship is dependent on character growth sparked from their similarities and initial interactions. Frostiron generally assumes that the initial interaction between these characters has either confirmed or forced them to re-examine something about themselves or their lives that will work as a catalyst for future character growth (see DRINK SCENE below). That idea is then built upon in fanworks.

This is interesting for their individual characteristics because both characters function as mirrors, able to amplify their traits for better or worse like a “kerosene and a match”. Through this, they are able to bring out the best and worst in one another while Steve and Thor draw on their insecurities in the MCU, forcing them to prove themselves in often self-destructive ways.


Parallels in Histories
(Art by phobs)

  • Both characters have powerful fathers who were seen as bringers of peace. Loki’s father is Odin, “the most powerful being in the nine realms” who has “brought peace” to those realms. Similar to Odin, Howard works to bring peace to the world through the manufacturing of weapons and work on various government projects including the Super Soldier Program, Manhattan Project, his involvement co-founding S.H.I.E.L.D., and becoming one of the most powerful people on earth
  • Both characters inherit their father’s legacy (or feel entitled to inherit it in Loki’s case). This leads to both feeling they were raised with some purpose in mind: to bring peace to the world. For Loki, this is through seeing that Asgard doesn’t fall to ruin. For Tony, it’s through continuing his father’s work. When Tony says: “There’s no throne” it’s because he has also chased after one: replacing his father/ being worthy of the name he’s built.
  • Additionally, both ultimately feel they are the only ones capable of bringing about this peace. Tony tries to privatize peace after realizing there is corruption within his company. Loki tries to take the throne after realizing Thor is unworthy of it.
  • In trying to fulfill this purpose, both are destructive and used by the people around them who try to shift that sense of purpose in their favor. Tony is used by Obadiah to inadvertently manufacture weapons for terrorists innocent which leads to innocent people being made victims of Stark weaponry. Loki, meanwhile, seeks to destroy Jotunheim and is later used by Thanos, who is likely to destroy the lives of the very people Loki is trying to protect: primarily the Asgardians and to a lesser extent the beings in other realms.
  • Likewise, both find their ambitions belittled and feel unable to fulfill this sense of greater purpose. Just as Loki doesn’t qualify as king (replacing his father), Tony doesn’t qualify for the Avengers (which Tony’s father co-founded). The Chitauri tell Loki his ambition is “little, born of childish need”. Tony’s friends urge him to go back to weapons’ manufacturing – the only thing Tony has ever felt useful for doing.
  • This sense of greater purpose and inability to fulfill it creates a sense of arrogance constantly at war with self-loathing within both.

    • For Loki: “Because he knows he is smarter than most everyone he meets, and has abilities no human or Asgardian could ever have due to his magics, he is hopelessly arrogant. He is superior to others in many ways and knows it. However, he is self-conscious about his non-Asgardian attributes: his physical weaknesses and his inclination to more passive fighting, in particular. He is keenly aware that he is nowhere near as loved as Thor in his realm, and prior to knowing his true heritage, he blamed himself. Though he now (at least pretends) to lay the blame on everyone but himself, he never recovered from his childhood of self-loathing and insecurity.” - pikacheeka

    • The same can be said of Tony – no one can compete with his technological knowledge, but he’s still self-conscious, believing he has no more to offer than blowing things up. He feels inferior to someone like Captain America and though he doesn’t cast this blame on other people, he is still struggling with a childhood of self-loathing and insecurity spawned from feelings of inferiority.
  • Both fathers neglect their son to some degree and both fathers seem to see them for their immediate use (there’s an amazing, detailed post about that here) while putting their time, love, and effort into someone else. For Howard, it’s Steve Rogers. For Odin, it’s Thor. Additionally, their arrogance and self-loathing is amplified by having figures around them (both of which are bluff, blonde beacons of goodness) that are able to fulfill this role and whom their fathers seem to favor: Steve and Thor. There are numerous parallels to be drawn about both:


    “There is an interesting correlation to be drawn in the movie between Thor and Steve; both are warriors out of their natural place. It’s worth noting that Loki does not engage with Steve on a more personal level… Steve is also a warrior ideal. In Thor it is demonstrated in several respects that Loki is regarded as something less than worthy as a warrior… Steve surely appears to be another creature cast in that mould, wrought of that damned golden ideal – bright and shining, a living legend, the first son of America as Thor is the first son of Asgard.” - claricechiarasorcha
  • Because both lack their fathers’ affection, they seek it from the rest of the world (making themselves into “heroes”). Their motivations for becoming heroes also aren’t entirely selfless as they’re using this to gain a sense of self-worth.
  • Tony’s assumed ideology in the question he poses in the beginning of Iron Man “Is it better to be feared or respected? Is it too much to ask for both?” is the very logic Loki seems to be operating under in Avengers.
  • Both have trouble dealing with emotions. As mentioned above, both have difficulties seeing anything as real caring. They have very active ways of dealing with their emotions – usually through anger (often turned inwards) but also through attempts to simply eliminate the problem. When Tony he sees his weapons being used after returning from Afghanistan, you see a flash of anger pass over his face before he leaves to get them back. When Loki finds out about his adoption, he kills his father and tries to eliminate an entire race of Jotuns. Similarly, they try to avoid being a burden to the people around them. When Tony is dying, he fails to seek out help. After Loki finds out he’s Jotun, he hides this from those around him until Odin catches him with the casket.
These parallels are important because they set the stage to why a relationship would be beneficial to both.

“Tom Hiddleston states in his interviews that Loki’s journey towards villainy is motivated out of heartbreak and a need for self-respect rather than a simple raw desire for power (although power is one of the things he wants). It’s probably a safe bet to say that Tony Stark also has a need for self-respect; he’s an alcoholic and a playboy who can’t keep a steady relationship. He’s narcissistic but that doesn’t necessarily mean he has a great amount of respect for himself. Now, one could argue that a relationship wherein both parties lack self-respect is dangerous (and this is often the case), but I think Tony and Loki have the potential to build on each other instead of collapsing.

They’re in different places as regards their relationships to their respective fathers. Tony has seemingly moved on from the angst of his earlier years and regards his father as merely an absent figure. Loki is still fresh from the heartbreak of his father’s lies and rejection. Tony’s positive (well, more or less) reaction to his father’s absence is a good example for Loki; Loki’s raw heartbreak could be a catalyst for the catharsis that Tony clearly still hasn’t had.

Loki’s independence seems more emotional than moral… he kills Laufey to gain his father’s acceptance; he upholds Thor’s banishment from a need for equality; he destroys the Frost Giants in order to prove his worth. He’s much more self-serving in his independence than Tony is. I think this is their main difference. I also think this could balance well… Tony’s moral compass is more finely tuned than Loki’s. With a large amount of mutual respect, the two of them could certainly balance each other out.” - poins


Antagonist/Protagonist
(Fanart by nikaalexandra.)

Despite these parallels (as mentioned in the quote above), Tony and Loki are in very different places and have taken very different paths in dealing with their shared issues. Shipping-wise, this is great because it has the possibility to lead to a lot of character development - for better or worse - by functioning as a source of contention between them. For example, Tony embraces the emotional vulnerability and reliance on others that Loki has come to see as a weakness and Tony himself would have ignored before the events of Iron Man. Avengers not only explores this contrast but the theme of the movie is centered on it:

”What is most interesting about this repeated message that nothing useful comes from sentiment or sentimentality is that it is repeatedly disproven. In each case the character being criticized for their sentiment later gains something because of it.” - hardactofollow


Tony and Loki are presented as the most vulnerable characters in the film (through their backstory, being the only characters to tear up, etc.) and established as mirrors when Tony realizes about how similar he and Loki are. Loki is, of course, the antagonist who represents an effort to ignore sentimentality. As shown in RELATIONSHIP WITH THOR, Loki feels this is his biggest weakness and actively tries to avoid it. Tony, meanwhile, can be seen as the protagonist who manages to defeat Loki by embracing his emotional vulnerability. Instead of continuing to hold people at arm’s length, he reaches out to Bruce, who ultimately saves his life. Additionally, <a href=">fantasticfangirls</a> writes, Tony can be seen as the protagonist because his role in the film is one usually given to the protagonist. “Tony and Pepper are a couple and the only couple who appear on screen. This makes Pepper the stand in love interest for the entire story. Tony has to be the one in the most peril at the end because he is the one with someone to say goodbye to.” This is, again, a result of Tony having opened himself to people.

As was previously said about Thor, heroes need something to define themselves against. Generally, Tony battles with himself. This means that this contrast gives Tony something different to battle and fix: Loki. By having Tony help to redeem Loki (who he sees himself in), it means that Tony can better prove to himself he’s not an awful person. It can even go the opposite way: Loki can help draw out Tony’s worst traits/ insecurities. For example, Tony (assuming this carries over from the comics) has a habit of picking people who are very wrong for him and use him because of his self-worth issues even though he has a strong moral compass overall. Tony is also the sort of person who, as likeadeuce states, “believes every problem can be solved with enough persistence, know-how, and willpower” - and there’s no guarantee he can fix Loki. Both make for interesting fanfiction.


Tony and Redemption
(Art by dilfosaur.)

Of course this leads to the question: can their relationship work given their roles as hero and villain. And the answer is definitely.

Each character in Avengers with the exception of Steve (who you can still argue isn’t solely heroic because the role of a soldier isn’t always purely heroic) is morally grey and their story revolves around redemption. This is especially true of Tony.

The assumption most Frostiron shippers make is that Tony sees Loki as redeemable. They think that, like Thor, Tony is able to see what Loki as more than the destruction he’s caused. To say Loki isn’t redeemable would be hypocritical, damning himself (as well as Thor) because of the parallels between the two.

This assumption is largely based on Tony’s relationship with Bruce throughout the film:

“In ‘Avengers’ we also get to see Tony helping the one person nobody else really wants to help - Bruce Banner. Everybody else is wary of Bruce. Fury built him a ‘cage’, and everybody else sees him as a liability. When Steve first sees Bruce he says he doesn’t care about the ‘other stuff’ but yet he chides Tony for teasing Bruce so clearly he does care. Tony, on the other hand, encourages Bruce to be himself and not be afraid of ‘the other guy’. He supports Bruce, befriends him, and is the only one who KNOWS Bruce will come to help them at the end. In return Bruce saves his life.” - avengersome


Aside from Tony, most characters seem to view the Hulk as something separate from Bruce. Coulson, for example, doesn’t even characterize the Hulk as human when he states “when he’s not that thing”. Tony, meanwhile, accepts Bruce because he realizes that destruction can be directed towards something better. There’s potential there for Tony to also see that potential in Loki. In fact, numerous similarities can be drawn between Bruce and Loki. Both have unmatched levels of intelligence and a certain sense of isolation (the very things Bruce and Tony bound over). Not to mention that…

“Later in the movie Tony will speak of suiting up, and Banner will counteract him with the fact for him, it is stripping down – he becomes a raw nerve. And there is an element of this in Loki. He shields himself in armour, but it is in this state his madness begins to show clearest. When he takes his armour and his helm Loki’s calm becomes histrionics, the diva in full song spiraling upwards to the long holding note that the audience pays to see.


He splits himself, too – puts himself not only at the centre, but on the edges of everything. There is no escape; his eye is ever-watchful, the omniscient and omnipresent god. But they flicker, those doppelgangers. Is it a signal to the audience that they are not real? Or is it simply that because the illusions do not hold, then neither will the centre.


When Bruce joins the battle against the Chitauri invasion force late in the movie, he reveals that he deals his other half by always being angry. He does not deny what he is: instead he embraces it. In contrast, Loki suppressed most of his resentful and fearful feelings regarding his self-worth all his life, and now they have exploded out of him.” - claricechiarasorcha
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Drink Scene
(Gifs by lostiel, art by phobs.)



It’s true: the bulk of their interaction is limited to the drink scene, which is one of the main reasons this pairing gets criticized. However, this scene can be read as one of the most important for Loki in the entire movie. While interpretations will differ, Frostiron fans generally assume Tony is not only able to appeal to Loki’s logic, but succeed to some degree (which may have an impact on Loki in the future or will at least make Loki take further notice of him).

Their meeting starts with the following exchange:

Loki: Please tell me you're going to appeal to my humanity.
Stark: Uh- actually, I'm planning to threaten you.

This reply is unexpected and takes Loki by surprise:

#up until this point everyone has treated him like an enemy - and rightly so! #then Tony gets it in his head to wander up to him with no armour on # and make a dick joke #oh Tony you are a crazy hilarious reckless fucker” - goddamnhella


It’s true: this is born out of a degree of recklessness/a need to stall. However, Tony is also appealing to Loki’s humanity - as much as he would anyone else.

When Loki speaks to Tony, there’s a mixture of the same insecurity and attention-seeking ego directed towards him (as well as the other characters earlier in Avengers) reminiscent of when Loki is talking to Odin and says “I could have done it”. Tony realizes this, that Loki’s ultimate goal is the throne and to be seen taking it (see PARALLELS). As the conversation continues, Tony’s words become reminiscent of Thor’s earlier plea for Loki to “give up [his] poisonous dream” because something will go wrong for him.

Tony says:

Tony Stark: You're missing the point. There's no throne. There is no version of this where you come out on top. Maybe your army comes, and maybe it's too much for us, but it's all on you. Because if we can't protect the Earth, you can be damned well sure we'll avenge it.


Through this statement, Tony makes it clear that what Loki’s doing may not necessarily be what he ultimately wants. And the interesting thing is that he lets Loki figure this out for himself by addressing how he might win. Because Tony does this, Loki is given less room to whip out the I AM BEING BULLIED justification he uses with the Hulk. Instead, he is given a sense of autonomy and a sense of the consequences of his actions.

This isn’t the first time Loki has been told he might lose, obviously. However, this is the first time he hasn’t been belittled or made to feel he’s been tricked like when he interacts with Natasha and Coulson. He expects Tony to appeal to his humanity because he expects people to view him as emotional, lacking conviction. By stating he’s there to threaten Loki and the lines above, Tony shows that he takes Loki’s conviction seriously, that Tony believes Loki can carry out his plan successfully, and that Tony realizes he has a long term plan outside of taking over earth. This validates Loki.

Additionally, Loki underestimates Coulson and Natasha. He doesn’t seem to underestimate Tony – in fact, he generally looks concerned while interacting with him, like he’s missing something. When Loki’s magic fails, he’s surprised. A little insecure. His façade drops. While you can argue Loki may be worried what happened with Coulson and Natasha will happen again (he’ll be tricked), it’s important to remember that Tony Stark has already proven himself intelligent and probably has Loki’s attention. It’s Tony’s father who recovers the tesseract, Tony who owns the tower Loki is using as a portal,and later Tony who directs the missile towards the Chitauri and Loki addresses after being defeated. In addition, Loki has brought up his intelligence (building a clean energy source), and knows Tony is capable of holding his own against Thor.

And the thing is, Tony gets to Loki. Even when he throws Tony out the window he’s seeking validation (“You will all fall before me”). You can read this as an indication that Loki has either put Tony on equal ground or it’s a future possibility.

This scene is also important because it shows Tony isn’t viewing Loki solely as a villain. His initial interaction with Loki during the drink scene is vastly different from that with the terrorists in Iron Man. Instead, it’s closer to his interaction with Ivan Vanko - probably because this is Thor’s brother. It could also stems from the fact that to say Loki isn't redeemable is to damn himself as there are so many parallels between the two. While Loki has killed people, it’s important to remember that Tony (not to mention Thor) has probably indirectly killed a lot more – and for the same reason (see TONY AND REDEMPTION above).

In fact, Tony jokes with Loki, treating him much the same way he does to the Avengers and members of S.H.I.E.L.D. – in part as a defense mechanism and in part as a means of trying to appeal to his logic/humanity, giving him the sense of autonomy mentioned above. In a relationship, this would be something Loki needs: acknowledgement of his flaws and direction while still having a sense that he’s doing things himself and respected.

#y’know there’s a consistence in tony’s behaviour #it’s not like he points out defects on people to make them feel uncomfortable #i think he does it so people acknowledge that he sees a difference and doesn’t think it’s a biggie #so he jokes about it #I mean #after all if you’re blind from one eye and someone points it out #and you get offended #who’s discriminating you? i think it’s yourself #of course it all depends on the manner of speaking the other guy has but #when it comes to tony it’s like #he refuses to not see the elephant in the room #just like he did with bruce #everyone was like ‘well you’re a good guy and i don’t care about anything else’ #and tony was like ‘THAT THING WHERE YOU DESTROY EVERYTHING #I LOVE IT’ #and it’s somewhat relieving #idk man #it’s just #tony’s peculiar #I think that the fact that he jokes about flaws (beyond the fact that he superficially dines having them) #is because he relates” - starksexual


To some degree, Tony’s words seem to resonate with Loki, or at least Tony seems to have made an impression on Loki:

“Look at how Loki looks at Tony in the last moment, clearly talking to him and sharing this private joke with him. Because Tony is the one of them all that made the biggest impression on him, and strikes him as the one of all the Avengers who’s most likely to range himself with him. Tony’s smirk is clearly amused, but he isn’t gloating, he is acknowledging the god’s wit and enjoys the fact that he seemingly made enough of an impression on Loki that he would remember his offer. They are similar in mind and way of behaving in tough situations, and Tony can clearly see that.” - teejaystumbles


Because, like creedsgalbirdy says, “Tony also knows what it’s like to need that drink.”



Shippin' It
(Gifs by lostiel.)

   


SO. All the above has led us to the inevitable question: but why would they be attracted to one another to begin with? The best answers come in the form of responses to this gifset:

#i have this head canon that loki absolutely has this crush on tony #that he would never admit to anyone #because tony is all showmanship #he is just this bright bright star #and he has so many problems #but god he’s so fucking cool looking #and he has that sass #and he walks the walk and talks the talk and a small part of loki is like #WHY CAN’T I DO THAT #I TRIED AND I GOT THROWN AROUND BY THE HULK WHAT’S YOUR SECRET #IS IT YOUR TRIMMED BEARD GOD YOU’RE SO HOT I HATE YOU” - creepyloki

“I wouldn’t see a crush at this stage, but I could definitely see some degree of attraction or begrudging respect. Loki strikes me as someone who would be drawn, primarily, to intelligence, and Tony is very intelligent.” - qualapec

“I could see why in-universe Loki would be jealous of Stark. Tony has this great display of needing no one except for himself—he’s a self-made person, all intellect, no god-given powers, keeps himself going with his own wit and his own style and his own reasons behind everything he does. This is his world and everyone else is competing for second. Every other sentence coming out of his mouth functions either to patronize or minimize someone else—and vice versa.

This is the kind of existence Loki’s been craving—stepping out from the shadow of his mighty golden not-brother, having an entire planet bow before him, dominating a race of people who, he states, needs someone like him to step in and take charge. Instead he’s never mentioned in a sentence without his brother coming first, every attempt to make a public display is shot down by one or more Avengers, and even a weakling like Coulson on his dying breath calls out Loki’s lack of constitution to his face, before blasting him backwards into a concrete wall. It’s never meant to be.

So even in that final, glorious and not-lengthy battle, Loki wakes up after being smashed to smithereens by the Hulk to find the others standing over him and Stark has still somehow become the big hero with his near-suicide nuke move, standing over Loki like how it’s always been and with a smirk on his face. It’s the opposite of everything he’s ever wanted. It’s a miracle he can still give a graceful losing line. And Stark just smiles. They’re still in his house. Always have been.” - mofuckinavenjaz

“I’m sure that Loki also envies Stark’s dynamism. He is not only constantly changing himself but also the people around him and the society that he lives in. Asgard is a very static place. They’re still using the same technology and fighting the same old conflicts that they have been for thousands of years. While someone like Stark is seen as this great genius on Earth, he would probably not be as welcome on Asgard. A society of immortals would also be full of people always longing for the days of yesteryear, probably to a fault, and such a place would consider someone like Stark, or for that matter Loki, a threat to their worldview.

We know from Thor that the Aesir consider magic and technology to be intertwined. What Stark does with the arc reactor by keeping him alive, and the suit by making him more powerful as well as all of his other inventions is, in its own fashion, creating his own illusions, his own magecraft. Loki recognizes this and knows that, with his technology, Stark is in a lot of ways much more powerful than either Thor with his brawn or his own sorcery.

So not only is Tony Stark incredibly powerful, but he also exists in a world where he is adored by the masses for being able to wield this power. This is something that Loki has never experienced. Envy indeed.” - unknowntrombone


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